[2008-05-20 06:49:55] JOIN #higgins :rcjsuen!n=rcjsuen@bas6-kitchener06-1177628013.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 07:42:03] JOIN #higgins :MikeMc!n=MikeMc@142.131.214.165 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 09:06:01] QUIT MikeMc [2008-05-20 10:03:12] JOIN #higgins :tdoman!n=TeeDoh@nat/novell/x-e036d356bf4ac554 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 10:14:46] JOIN #higgins :Duane!n=dbuss@137.65.132.233 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 10:31:15] JOIN #higgins :MikeMc!n=MikeMc@142.131.214.165 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 10:41:42] PART #higgins [2008-05-20 11:24:04] JOIN #higgins :MikeMc!n=MikeMc@nat/ibm/x-bb2a73662addb9a0 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 11:28:06] JOIN #higgins :Jimse!n=jimse@nat/ibm/x-435ac4aefbefd79d JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 11:36:35] JOIN #higgins :Jims1!n=jimse@nat/ibm/x-f5d2057b54cc4d04 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 11:36:42] QUIT Jimse [2008-05-20 11:55:47] hi markus - we are having a small f2f today and wonder if you are able to dial in for a part of it - one specific item I'd like to discuss with you is some saml2 progress we've made recently [2008-05-20 12:01:31] We've started the F2F and will try to update here [2008-05-20 12:01:36] the agenda is at http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:01:45] right now, we're agenda bashing [2008-05-20 12:01:49] we need agenda items [2008-05-20 12:02:06] I suggest IdAS Access Control (of course) [2008-05-20 12:02:31] anyone on the IRC interested in today's F2F [2008-05-20 12:02:33] ? [2008-05-20 12:02:37] are IdAS refactoring items already covered? [2008-05-20 12:02:45] Nop [2008-05-20 12:02:54] nothing in on the agenda yet [2008-05-20 12:02:55] ie. metadata as attrs, data model [2008-05-20 12:03:05] we can add tttttttttttttttthose [2008-05-20 12:03:11] maybe nothings needs to be on it for these. that's my question [2008-05-20 12:03:12] piece of crap keyboard [2008-05-20 12:03:35] so far, we have Mike and me in the room [2008-05-20 12:03:48] so we could open up a phone line if anyone is interested [2008-05-20 12:03:55] or we could type here [2008-05-20 12:04:10] Daniel, Duane, are you interested in the F2F? [2008-05-20 12:04:13] yay! :) on data model, just wondering where we're at ... Raj's issue made me wonder [2008-05-20 12:04:15] have any topics? [2008-05-20 12:04:29] Not *The* Raj, right? [2008-05-20 12:04:34] NICK jimse [2008-05-20 12:04:51] you mean rajalakshmi? [2008-05-20 12:05:08] right, no, the model thing ... implementing the model plan will cover raj's problem [2008-05-20 12:06:02] ok, so the issue is: when are we gonna change the way we deal with the model in IdAS [2008-05-20 12:06:16] JOIN #higgins :brich!n=brich@cpe-24-28-23-112.austin.res.rr.com JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 12:06:19] should we set up a phone thing? [2008-05-20 12:06:47] irc works for me [2008-05-20 12:07:53] so I have a conf call number - but if no one is going to call in we wont use it [2008-05-20 12:07:55] Participant Passcode: 685641 [2008-05-20 12:07:55] 877-421-0038 [2008-05-20 12:07:55] 770-615-1254 [2008-05-20 12:08:42] I just updated the agenda again [2008-05-20 12:09:30] what's the link for the agenda? [2008-05-20 12:10:39] http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:10:47] these are some items we could discuss: [2008-05-20 12:10:48] M1 Status - M2 Planning [2008-05-20 12:10:48] [2008-05-20 12:10:48] Automated Testing Process Planning [2008-05-20 12:10:48] [2008-05-20 12:10:50] Access Control (Paul, Drummond, David Kuer-McLaren) [2008-05-20 12:10:52] [2008-05-20 12:10:54] SAML 2.0 IdP (Markus and Paul?) [2008-05-20 12:10:56] [2008-05-20 12:10:58] i-Card Extensibility (including PIN based protection) [2008-05-20 12:12:58] we haven't called in, does anyone want to? [2008-05-20 12:13:23] if anyone decides to call in I will activate the line - just ping me [2008-05-20 12:13:28] since i'm typing-challenged, audio would help [2008-05-20 12:15:43] in the background, I'm calling paul [2008-05-20 12:15:55] cell > voicemail [2008-05-20 12:16:04] work > voicemaiiiiiiiil [2008-05-20 12:16:15] should I call his house? [2008-05-20 12:16:26] Mike opened the conf line [2008-05-20 12:17:11] other idas items are this idea of complex values as Entities [2008-05-20 12:17:37] and changing metadata to attributes [2008-05-20 12:18:23] and coming up with global identifiers for all idas elements [2008-05-20 12:19:55] any of those interest anyone? [2008-05-20 12:21:14] agenda is updates [2008-05-20 12:21:17] ed [2008-05-20 12:21:42] I think those items are interesting to some folks not at this meeting or on irc [2008-05-20 12:22:22] let the agenda bashing begin [2008-05-20 12:22:24] or end [2008-05-20 12:23:33] Does everyone like the order? [2008-05-20 12:24:52] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:26:54] So Tom, if we're going to do the "Model as Entities" thing, should we review the page at http://wiki.eclipse.org/Higgins/ModelAPIs? [2008-05-20 12:28:55] yeah, but, wow, that's a huge review! [2008-05-20 12:29:04] JOIN #higgins :trevithickp!n=Paul@209-6-146-143.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 12:29:06] I know :( [2008-05-20 12:29:24] hi jim, just got your VM [2008-05-20 12:29:33] Before we get to that, Tom do you want to be on for the IdAS Access Control portion? [2008-05-20 12:29:38] Hi paul [2008-05-20 12:29:58] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:30:14] sure, and we should get duane. how about the PM? [2008-05-20 12:30:32] hi paul [2008-05-20 12:30:42] we are agenda bashing now [2008-05-20 12:30:59] and trying to figure out how to drag in folks to parts of meeting via conf call [2008-05-20 12:31:00] ok [2008-05-20 12:31:01] I just put the phone num on the Agenda [2008-05-20 12:31:06] Participant Passcode: 685641 [2008-05-20 12:31:06] (10:07:55) MikeMc: 877-421-0038 [2008-05-20 12:31:06] (10:07:55) MikeMc: 770-615-1254 [2008-05-20 12:31:09] and here [2008-05-20 12:31:11] I'll call in [2008-05-20 12:31:20] is markus available for any part of today to discuss saml2? [2008-05-20 12:31:30] he's on the irc but not responding [2008-05-20 12:31:45] Tom, right now the Access Ctrl part is at 12:30 pacific (1:30 there) [2008-05-20 12:32:00] let me see if i can connect with markus [2008-05-20 12:32:03] we can move it out 30 more minutes if that helps [2008-05-20 12:32:22] plus you get to have a longer lunch... [2008-05-20 12:32:29] either way [2008-05-20 12:32:47] and in case Drummond is late... [2008-05-20 12:33:33] hi paul - can brian join for discussion around M1-M2 and auto testing? [2008-05-20 12:34:13] Refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda#12:30_-_.3F [2008-05-20 12:35:02] and again... [2008-05-20 12:35:19] so, access control is at 1pm (2pm mtn) [2008-05-20 12:36:28] If markus comes on, is anyone (aside from me) interested in talking to him about a remote IdAS CP? [2008-05-20 12:36:31] okay, cool [2008-05-20 12:37:07] I'm going to put a message on higgins dev regarding the access ctrl part [2008-05-20 12:37:51] I'll see if we can get duane as well [2008-05-20 12:38:19] remote IdAS CP? sure ... but am I "aside" from you? [2008-05-20 12:38:34] btw, Tom, we should prolly assign this to you, right? https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233016 [2008-05-20 12:38:50] yep [2008-05-20 12:39:15] hi [2008-05-20 12:39:37] give me 1 minute to read everything [2008-05-20 12:39:49] ok, I guess we're going to change the agenda a bit... [2008-05-20 12:40:08] Brian just called, so we can take advantage of him while he's here [2008-05-20 12:41:29] should i dial in to that number above ? [2008-05-20 12:41:37] we would like to talk about - saml2 [2008-05-20 12:41:56] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:42:35] you can dial in -- right now we're just going to go over status and unti tests with Brian [2008-05-20 12:42:47] Markus, how long will you be available for? [2008-05-20 12:42:55] trying to work out when to talk about what [2008-05-20 12:44:03] i have time for several hours [2008-05-20 12:44:16] probably almost your whole day [2008-05-20 12:45:28] ok. If there's anything on the agenda that we should discuss while you're available, let us know if it's scheduled for too late [2008-05-20 12:46:16] hmm 877-421-0038 and 770-615-1254: "The number you are trying to call is currently not supported by Skype" [2008-05-20 12:46:32] i never had that before [2008-05-20 12:46:49] are you in austria? [2008-05-20 12:46:50] weird [2008-05-20 12:46:55] yeah i am [2008-05-20 12:46:56] I have an austrian number [2008-05-20 12:47:00] hang on a sec [2008-05-20 12:47:22] Austria [2008-05-20 12:47:22] 0800-292-738 [2008-05-20 12:47:22] +43 179576264 [2008-05-20 12:48:14] cool [2008-05-20 12:48:19] thx [2008-05-20 12:48:35] i'm on now [2008-05-20 12:48:41] k [2008-05-20 12:50:10] JOIN #higgins :DavidKM!n=dkuehr@nat/ibm/x-d2abb20371d11617 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 12:50:31] hi david, there's a call-in number [2008-05-20 12:50:53] <|SergeyLyakhov|:#higgins@higginsircbot|JOIN>JOIN #higgins :|SergeyLyakhov|!n=kvirc@193.110.176.240 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 12:50:53] Participant Passcode: 685641 [2008-05-20 12:50:53] (10:07:55) MikeMc: 877-421-0038 [2008-05-20 12:50:53] (10:07:55) MikeMc: 770-615-1254 [2008-05-20 12:51:12] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 12:51:28] http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/projectplan.php [2008-05-20 12:51:42] hi sergey - we are having a f2f via conf call and irc if you want to join in ;-) [2008-05-20 12:51:54] <|SergeyLyakhov|:#higgins@higginsircbot>Hello [2008-05-20 12:52:08] <|SergeyLyakhov|:#higgins@higginsircbot>Yes, Jim wrote a letter about it [2008-05-20 12:52:12] JOIN #higgins :nairbreklew!n=chatzill@static-68-162-255-8.bos.east.verizon.net JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 12:52:42] my conf call number has a long list of country specifc numbers [2008-05-20 13:13:15] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 13:14:00] Tom,,,,,,,,,,,,, are you there? [2008-05-20 13:14:13] trying to make sure I schedule things around your lunch [2008-05-20 13:19:51] on the agenda page, there are two conflicting call-in numbers...one under the topic of "Attending by phone" and one under the Tuesday header [2008-05-20 13:21:22] jim, can I edit the agenda wiki? [2008-05-20 13:21:27] just for a minute [2008-05-20 13:21:31] yes [2008-05-20 13:21:42] only if you fix bruce's issue :) [2008-05-20 13:22:52] Paul, what time will you have to drop off the call today? [2008-05-20 13:23:12] (trying to make sure the agenda matches people's availability) [2008-05-20 13:24:07] I will have to be off from noon-1 Pacific [2008-05-20 13:24:52] And will also be available 1-2pm [2008-05-20 13:25:21] after 2pm I have go leave [2008-05-20 13:25:36] ok, so your time is limited [2008-05-20 13:25:45] yes [2008-05-20 13:26:03] we will be off the line from 12-1230 anyway [2008-05-20 13:26:32] paul, are you done editing the agenda page? [2008-05-20 13:30:07] yes hit refresh [2008-05-20 13:30:08] http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda#1:00_-_.3F [2008-05-20 13:30:41] Daniel, current topic is the SAML2 IdP [2008-05-20 13:30:53] if you're interested, there's a call-in # [2008-05-20 13:56:41] refresh http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda#12:30_-_1:00 [2008-05-20 14:17:28] PART #higgins [2008-05-20 14:18:23] QUIT MikeMc [2008-05-20 14:21:25] QUIT jimse [2008-05-20 14:43:45] JOIN #higgins :DavidKM!n=dkuehr@nat/ibm/x-d2abb20371d11617 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 14:44:17] FYI. I joined the bridge call for the access discussion. [2008-05-20 14:57:36] they don't seem to be back from lunch yet [2008-05-20 14:58:08] FWIW, I've also joined [2008-05-20 14:58:27] me too [2008-05-20 14:59:59] everyone enjoying the clicks? [2008-05-20 15:07:29] my music is way too loud to hear them [2008-05-20 15:08:01] Used to a short clip of bad jazz that played over and over. The clicks are an improvement. [2008-05-20 15:09:05] JOIN #higgins :MikeMc!n=MikeMc@nat/ibm/x-3f18e77a9e9c4ba6 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 15:09:44] JOIN #higgins :Jimse!n=jimse@nat/ibm/x-2cc4d22f9ffa0739 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 15:09:46] QUIT Jimse [2008-05-20 15:11:51] JOIN #higgins :Jimse!n=jimse@nat/ibm/x-b817df19727a5a41 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 15:14:39] Here's the link to the access control page http://wiki.eclipse.org/Access_Control_in_IdAS [2008-05-20 15:16:35] refresh the agenda page [2008-05-20 15:19:04] These are the notes from the last Access Ctrl teleconf mtg http://wiki.eclipse.org/Access_Control_Teleconf_20080509 [2008-05-20 15:23:05] gah, just lost 10 minutes of edits [2008-05-20 15:27:54] in xacml the subject or resource can be by name or by query (ie attribute values) [2008-05-20 15:44:27] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Access_Control_Teleconf_20080520 [2008-05-20 16:05:17] JOIN #higgins :drummond_!n=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-7fa97f9811142715 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 16:11:38] QUIT tdoman [2008-05-20 16:12:02] have to run to the airport. dropping off the call :( [2008-05-20 16:12:42] bye [2008-05-20 16:14:11] PART #higgins [2008-05-20 16:14:28] JOIN #higgins :tdoman!n=TeeDoh@nat/novell/x-987d6a3542bff1fe JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 16:20:26] QUIT rcjsuen [2008-05-20 16:58:16] can you resend where you're taking the notes for this? [2008-05-20 17:08:30] JOIN #higgins :rcjsuen!n=rcjsuen@eitnaa166.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 17:10:22] you've now spent two hours on Access Control, are there other topics you were planning on covering today? [2008-05-20 17:10:48] http://wiki.eclipse.org/May_20-21_Seattle_F2F_Agenda [2008-05-20 17:11:33] resend: notes for the access control meeting? [2008-05-20 17:12:14] here's the old one http://wiki.eclipse.org/Access_Control_Teleconf_20080509 [2008-05-20 17:12:20] PART #higgins [2008-05-20 17:16:46] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Higgins/ModelAPIs [2008-05-20 17:25:46] QUIT Duane [2008-05-20 17:27:38] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Dereferencing_Complex_Values_Backlog [2008-05-20 17:44:16] who has us on hold [2008-05-20 17:46:26] JOIN #higgins :Duane!n=dbuss@nat/novell/x-93e0073e6fc8f784 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 18:13:56] QUIT Duane [2008-05-20 18:23:02] dropping off at 6:22 CDT...have fun [2008-05-20 18:23:11] QUIT brich [2008-05-20 18:46:06] Drummond is drawing this: [2008-05-20 18:46:29] contextID/entityID/(reference) [2008-05-20 18:47:04] or for a literal: contextID/entityID/attrID [2008-05-20 18:47:32] or for blank node: contextID/entityID// [2008-05-20 19:03:54] anyone left on the conf call? [2008-05-20 19:04:02] I just dropped off, heading out [2008-05-20 19:04:11] ok, thanks [2008-05-20 19:13:56] http://www.thetripledoor.net/event.aspx?eid=3204 [2008-05-20 19:21:40] QUIT tdoman [2008-05-20 19:38:23] PART #higgins [2008-05-20 19:41:29] <_keturn:#higgins@higginsircbot|QUIT>QUIT _keturn [2008-05-20 19:45:22] QUIT nairbreklew [2008-05-20 19:45:40] <_keturn:#higgins@higginsircbot|JOIN>JOIN #higgins :_keturn!n=acapnoti@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/keturn JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 20:08:58] QUIT rcjsuen [2008-05-20 20:10:14] QUIT drummond_ [2008-05-20 20:15:18] QUIT Jimse [2008-05-20 20:24:53] JOIN #higgins :rcjsuen!n=rcjsuen@bas6-kitchener06-1177628013.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 20:29:17] JOIN #higgins :nairbreklew!n=chatzill@66-168-115-207.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 20:37:01] JOIN #higgins :tdoman!n=TeeDoh@66.29.163.1.static.utahbroadband.com JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 21:52:38] QUIT tdoman [2008-05-20 23:06:39] JOIN #higgins :MikeMc!n=MikeMc@142.131.214.165 JOIN :#higgins [2008-05-20 23:15:26] QUIT rcjsuen [2008-05-20 23:48:54] JOIN #higgins :Jimse!n=jimse@65.121.105.3 JOIN :#higgins